The FairTax and State Sales Taxes

Concern: A 23% Federal Sales Tax (FairTax) added to my State Sales Tax (SST) is much too high.

That is an understandable concern that I’ve heard many times, but it appears you’re either missing or ignoring the fact that you’re currently paying Federal Income and Payroll Taxes on top of your State Sales Taxes; both of which the FairTax will eliminate.

For those of you who still don’t see what I’m talking about follow along:

A. What is your State Sales Tax? _____ (Mine is 8.25%)
B. What is your Federal Income Tax Bracket? _____ (Mine is 15%)
C. What is your Payroll Tax Rate? _7.65%_
D. What is the FairTax Rate? _23%_

Calculate your Tax Burden Based on each of the equations below.

1. Current Tax Burden = A + B + C

Mine: 8.25 + 15 + 7.65 = 30.9%

Yours: ____ + ____ + ____ = ____

2. FairTax Tax Burden = A + D

Mine: 8.25 + 23 = 31.25%

Yours: ___ + ___ = ____

Difference = (2) – (1)

Mine: 31.25 – 30.9 = 1.35%

Yours: ____ – ____ = ____

But wait! I’d be paying more, or would I!?

There is much more to the FairTax than just what I’ve shown you here. The above exercise was only to show you that the FairTax won’t directly make as much difference as you think it would. Once you add in the Prebate you’re afforded each month, and eliminate the other Income based taxes (including personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes). But best of all, the FairTax will Abolish the IRS and it will take the Federal Government out of your wallet.

FairTax rates – 2 ADULTS, 0 CHILDREN

FairTax rates – 2 ADULTS, 0 CHILDREN

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $20K/yr = ~(-2.68)%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $25K/yr = ~2.46%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $30K/yr = ~5.88%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $40K/yr = ~10.16%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $50K/yr = ~12.73%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $60K/yr = ~14.44%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $75K/yr = ~16.15%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $100K/yr = ~17.86%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $125K/yr = ~18.89%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $150K/yr = ~19.58%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $250K/yr = ~20.95%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $500K/yr = ~21.97%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $750K/yr = ~22.32%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $1M/yr = ~22.49%

Tweet ImageEffective #FairTax rate for 2 ADULTS, NO KIDS after prebate: Spend $2M/yr = ~22.74%

HR-6169 – The Pathway to Job Creation through a Simpler, Fairer Tax Code Act

I have read HR6169 in its entirety and it is my opinion, and the opinion of others, that we should get behind HR 6169 for the following reasons:

1. HR6169 is co-sponsored by Congressman Rob Woodall. If there is any person in congress that we FairTaxers feel we can trust, it is Congressman Woodall. He has not steered us wrong, and if he is behind it, that’s good enough reason for me.

Other co-sponsors of HR-6169 include (those Bolded are also co-sponsors of HR-25):

Rep Berg, Rick [ND]
Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1]
Rep Black, Diane [TN-6]
Rep Boustany, Charles W., Jr. [LA-7]
Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8]
Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4]
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4]
Rep Gerlach, Jim [PA-6]
Rep Graves, Sam [MO-6]
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2]
Rep Jenkins, Lynn [KS-2]
Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3]
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24]
Rep Nugent, Richard [FL-5]
Rep Reed, Tom [NY-29]
Rep Roskam, Peter J. [IL-6]
Rep Schock, Aaron [IL-18]
Rep Scott, Tim [SC-1]
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32]
Rep Smith, Adrian [NE-3]
Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12]
Rep Webster, Daniel [FL-8]
Rep Woodall, Rob [GA-7]

But in case it isn’t enough for you, here are more reasons to support it:

2. HR 6169 itself is NOT a tax reform bill, but a bill to set in motion the ease of tax reform in the upcoming 113th Congress (January 2013-December 2014).

3. HR6169 will help to “fast track” tax reform bills; including, but not limited to The Fair Tax Act (HR-25) and the flat tax (HR-1040). I believe this is to prevent such things as what has been happening to the FairTax Act for the past 16 years. This bill will ensure that all future tax reform bills at least get their chance on the House and (possibly) Senate Floors.

4. The purpose of HR-6169 is to provide for enactment of comprehensive tax reform in 2013 that:

(1) protects taxpayers by creating a fairer, simpler, flatter tax code for individuals and families by (A) lowering marginal tax rates and broadening the tax base; (B) eliminating special interest loopholes; (C) reducing complexity in the tax code, making tax compliance easier and less costly; (D) repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax; (E) maintaining modern levels of progressivity so as to not overburden any one group or further erode the tax base; (F) making it easier for Americans to save; and (G) reducing the tax burdens imposed on married couples and families;

(2) is comprehensive (addressing both individual and corporate rates), so as to have the maximum economic impact by benefiting employers and their employees regardless of how a business is structured;

(3) results in tax revenue consistent with historical norms;

(4) spurs greater investment, innovation and job creation, and therefore increases economic activity and the size of the economy on a dynamic basis as compared to the current tax code; and

(5) makes American workers and businesses more competitive by (A) creating a stable, predictable tax code under which families and employers are best able to plan for the future; (B) keeping taxes on small businesses low; (C) reducing America’s corporate tax rate, which is currently the highest in the industrialized world; (D) maintaining a level of parity between individual and corporate rates to reduce economic distortions; (E) promoting innovation in the United States; (F) transitioning to a globally competitive territorial tax system; (G) minimizing the double taxation of investment and capital; and (H) reducing the impact of taxes on business decisionmaking to allow such decisions to be driven by their economic potential.

5. HR-6169 is very short and extremely easy to read. You too can read HR-6169 here in all of about 10-15 minutes: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.6169:

RE: 120711: Fair Tax

UPDATE: This was my response to an article written by Peter Konetchy and posted on his (now deactivated) website. The important quotes have been highlighted below.
Here is my 1st response to: http://www.peterkonetchy.com/?page_id=871

“Proponents of the Federal Fair Tax want to replace all federal taxes with a supposedly revenue neutral 23% national sales tax”

Not “supposedly”, it truly is Revenue Neutral. Please read this study from BHI: http://FairTax.org/23

” – theoretically eliminating the IRS in the process.”

Not “theoretically”, it ACTUALLY Abolishes the IRS. It even takes the tax code a step further by removing the NEED for an IRS like agency. Federal Sales Taxes will be collected by the States. And the States will collect taxes from businesses within their state. Just like they do now with State Sales Taxes. AND, each collection point will be compensated for doing so.

Are you aware that the cost to comply with the IRS contributes to a $1 Billion annual drag on our economy; and growing every year?

The annual tax gap is estimated at roughly $430 Billion (and growing) because the Income Tax Code fails to collect taxes from anyone who fails to report income. Groups like Illegal Immigrants, Tourists, Corrupt Politicians, and the Underground Economy all escape Income Taxes – but CANNOT escape paying the Fair Tax.

“The problem is that it addresses the wrong problem with the wrong solution. The problem is not revenue collection – its spending.”

That, sir, is a matter of opinion. The Fair Tax addresses the problem of inefficient revenue collection. As mentioned above, the IRS is a $1B drag on our economy. Eliminate them and collect taxes more efficiently, and you have a system that will make up for the shortcomings of the current system.

The “Revenue Neutral” label was simply added to the Fair Tax to appease those in Congress who felt that raising more or fewer taxes was inappropriate. Once the Fair Tax is enacted, it will collect taxes from a broader tax base allowing legal US citizens the comfort of paying fewer taxes.

By the way, if you understand what the Fair Tax CAN do, you will understand that it will also address spending. It does so by eliminating 50% of lobbyists in DC; a major point of “tax breaks” for corporations.

“The solution is not to “fairly” fund our bloated government, but shrink it.”

You don’t see the elimination of the IRS as “shrinking our Government”? Again, $1B drag on our economy gone!

“Assume its proponents work diligently for the next 5- 7 years to replace all federal taxes with a revenue neutral consumption tax. What will be the state of the nation?”

Well, let’s see, in the 1st 2 years there will be an influx of corporations because the Corporate Income Tax would be ZERO PERCENT. That would bring in roughly 10 MILLION JOBS and 97% of Americans would be working again. Statistically that is FULL EMPLOYMENT. America has never seen that.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE STATE OF THE NATION WOULD BE??

More later…

FairTax Impact on November 2010 Elections

Thanks to Steve Curtis for providing this information.

Please share it with everyone you know.

 

Just how did candidates that supported the national FairTax proposal do across the country?

Amazingly well!

Of the 435 races for the House, 114 of them involved candidates expressing some level of support for the FairTax.  One race, OH07, had two FairTax supporters, for a total of 115 candidates supporting the FairTax.

Of the 115 candidates, there were 2 Independents, and 113 Republicans.

Of the 114 races, 65 FairTax candidates were Incumbents and 50 were Challengers.

Of the 114 races, the FairTax was a significant issue in 30 of the races; And in those 30 races,1 FairTax candidate was an Incumbent, and 29 FairTax candidates were Challengers.

The Incumbent won his race for 100% success rate.

In the 29 Challenger races, 17 were won by the FairTax candidate for a 58.6% success rate overall.

Of the 29 races, there were 13 where the FairTax was defended either by the Grassroots or the Challenger.  Of that 13, 11 were won, for an 84.6% success rate.

In the 17 races where neither the Challenger nor Grassroots provided significant defense, 7 were won by the FairTax Challenger, for a 41.2% success rate.

To put the above 84.6% and 41.2% success rates into perspective, in the November, 2010 election, Democrats (none of whom were publicly advocating the FairTax) had to defend 252 seats.  Republicans won 65 seats against Democrat Incumbents for an overall success rate of 25.8%.

Contrary to “conventional wisdom” Democrats attacked on FairTax issue only when in trouble.  In most of the House races against FairTax candidates, Democrats did not try to use the FairTax as an issue (83 races out of 114).  When they did use it, they experienced results that were, on average, worse than their counterparts who did not use misrepresentations of the FairTax to attack their opponent.

Overall, Republican Challengers won 25.8% of their races in this election cycle, but if the FairTax was used as an issue, Republican Challengers won 58.6% of the races.

In cases where the FairTax candidate was challenged on the FairTax issue, but failed to respond, they still experienced a benefit.  Passive FairTax candidates won 41.2% of their races, compared to the national Republican metric of 25.8%.  So, just being identified as a supporter of the FairTax, even when the opponent controlled the debate, resulted in a 15.4% improvement in the success rate.

In cases where the FairTax candidate and/or the grassroots responded aggressively to the FairTax challenge, the success rate for Republican FairTax candidates jumped to an astonishing 84.6% success rate.  This demonstrates that making the FairTax an issue, and aggressively promoting it, results in a nearly 45 percentage point advantage over passively favoring the FairTax.

Compared to Republicans who were not identified as supporters of the FairTax those aggressively promoting and defending it enjoyed a 58.8% advantage.

The conclusion is clear:  The more the public hears about the FairTax, the more they like it and the more they support advocates of the proposal.  FairTax candidates are much more likely to be elected, and candidates that adopt the FairTax as a key plank in their political platform and aggressively promote it are far more likely to win than those that are less enthusiastic in their support of the FairTax.

The Rich Don’t Pay Tax!…Or Do They?

Here is a link to a MUST READ book written by a great person and long time FairTax (HR-25) supporter John Gaver.

The Rich Don’t Pay Tax!…Or Do They

John hit the Nail on the Head with this book. His book provides solid information on just how much the Top 1% actually do pay in taxes and shows you exactly how that is more than fair to the other 99%.

John’s Book shows why we NEED the Top 1%. If we don’t stop alienating and ostracizing them, they will leave and take their money with them…as they are already doing.

John also has more information on his website:

TheRichDontPayTax.com

RE: Fair Tax: The Real Truth

I found another anti-FairTax blog post just rife with misconceptions and untruths that is just screaming for attention. You can read the whole blog at Redneck Democrat, but here are the highlights and my responses to each.

Neal Boortz, who has unilaterally brought the plan to some fame,  is retiring next year so the movement will likely die.  Just in case it doesn’t however, its worth explaining how it would really work, just in case someone like Mike Huckabee manage to revive this monstrousity(sic).

I guess the 70 State Representatives, 9 State Senators, 3 (recent) POTUS Candidates, and millions of grassroots Americans don’t matter. Well Neal (@Talkmaster), it’s on your shoulders now. If the #FairTax falls, it’s YOUR fault.

First off, The Fair Tax Puts All Americans On Welfare

1) The Fair Tax, although non-partisan, may be supported by some in the Tea Party, but was not created by nor is it considered “A Tea Party Bill”. Most “tea partiers” I know actually back a flat income tax (that is, until I convert them to the FairTax).

2) I think it would behoove the author to open up and understand that FairTax supporters are not all members of the Tea Party. The FairTax benefits ALL Americans regardless of party affiliation, age, race, color, creed, or wealth status. The only people the FairTax will ever be biased against are those who currently avoid or evade the current tax system; such as Illegal Immigrants, Corrupt Politicians, Drug Dealers, Prostitutes, and anyone else in the underground economy.

3) Let’s compare the FairTax prebate to something we all know and understand; the “Standard Deduction”. From Wikipedia:

The standard deduction, as defined under United States tax law, is a dollar amount that non-itemizers may subtract from their income and is based upon filing status. It is available to US citizens and resident aliens (for tax purposes) who are individuals, married persons, and heads of household and increases every year. It is not available to nonresident aliens residing in the United States.

The [prebate], as defined under [HR-25], is a dollar amount that [all legal US citizens] are eligible to receive at the beginning of each month and is [not] based upon filing status [nor income level]. It is available to US citizens and resident aliens (for tax purposes) who are individuals, married persons, and heads of household and [fluctuates] every year [based partially on the Department of Health & Human Services - poverty guideline]. It is not available to nonresident aliens residing in the United States.

In other words, the prebate will merely replace the standard deduction and all other income tax deductions that are widely accepted now. One of the biggest selling points I’ve seen for Democrats is that the prebate will completely untax the impoverished, while ensuring that the middle, upper, rich, and wealthy are all taxed accordingly.

The Fair Tax is a massive Wealth Redistributionist plan

The FairTax is NOT a “redistribution of wealth”. The money being refunded each month is the money that each of us are expected to pay in taxes on the goods and services that we require in order to survive. In other words, our “necessities”. All the FairTax will be doing is giving each person their tax money so that we are not “out of pocket” on those necessities. Spend above the poverty level for your family size and you start paying taxes like the rest of America.

What the Fair Tax does is redistribute who pays and how much they pay.

I don’t think the author fully understands that because the FairTax broadens the tax base (to those mentioned earlier) that each person will now have a much smaller tax burden. What the FairTax (actually) does is ensures tax avoiders and evaders “pay their fair share”; THAT is how it “redistribute[s] who pays and how much they pay”.

And I don’t think the author understands that income taxes are only collected from people who file income tax returns. It fails to collect taxes from those who fail to file. And the cost of hunting those tax avoiders and evaders gets put on the shoulders of the honest tax payers to the tune of $430 Billion/year. In other words, we can look at the entire income tax system as the largest “Wealth Redistributionist plan” of all. The FairTax will fix and eliminate that.

FAIR TAX TEST CASE:

I’m sure you’ve all picked up on this, but the test case is seriously flawed; the most egregious mistake being the miscalculations on the earnings/prebate. Note to Author: The annual prebate for a married couple with 2 children is $6,767 (that’s $564/mo).

So, “Tom” earns $85,000/yr. and has managed to save $10,000 of it. Way to go Tom! Or not. Because of the 7.65% payroll tax that Tom had to pay, that left the family with $78,500. But since Tom saved $10,000, they actually only spent $68,500. So, under the income tax system, they only had $68,500 and the $10,000 that went into savings was 1) taxed daily and 2) most likely used to pay taxes on the entire $85,000 by April 15th.

But in FairTax terms, that means Tom and his family had a total of ($85,000 + $6,767) = $91,767 available to them.  And under the FairTax had Tom and his family only spent the $68,500, they would have saved $23,267. Or they could have spent an extra $13,267 on luxury items and still saved the $10,000. Interestingly enough, that would have allowed Tom to pay taxes on TWO new $25,000 cars and still not have touched the original $10,000 they intended on saving.

The Fair Tax doesn’t cut spending…

You may think that it doesn’t cut spending, but think about this: Where is some of the spending done in DC? Tax deductions, Politicians and Lobbyists, right? Well, the FairTax claims to eliminate nearly 50% of lobbyists. That means eliminating loopholes, dirty politicians, and income tax deductions. And ultimately that means what (?) you got it… LESS SPENDING.

I urge you (the author and everyone else) to look at the FairTax for what it is worth, not just what you see on the face of it. If you actually open the book, you may be quite surprised.

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